The Best Argument Against “Baptism of Desire” (42 minutes)

Greetings Brother Michael and Peter Dimond,

I am a sedevacantist and do uphold the absolute necessity of water baptism for both justification and salvation. Also, I affirm Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. I have a friend who is sedevacantist, but who unfortunately believes invincible ignorance is salvific. I tried to straighten him out about his error of thinking invincible ignorance is salvific, but I was unsuccessful. He brought up the following quote ... Pope Pius IX (1846-1878)

I do have a few questions for you please. One, is the above quote infallible? Two, given that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus is a defined dogma of the faith, what is the above quote actually saying about the status of the invincibly ignorant? Any help in clarifying this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and take care.

MHFM:

Thank you for your question. This is addressed in our book on salvation, and it was specifically addressed in the radio program we just did. We hope to have that show in our archive online soon. I would encourage you to listen to it, since it answers this question in detail and many others issues relevant to this topic. Radio Program here: Sept. 9 Radio Program: An in-depth discussion of Outside the Church There is No Salvation and the water baptism issue (click here to listen, about 2 hrs.) This show covers in detail the controversial issue of salvation. It goes through the dogmatic pronouncements on Outside the Church There is No Salvation, discusses the history of the “baptism of desire” idea, and shows how it was not the belief of the early Church. It covers and critiques some of the outrageous distortions present in the books promoting baptism of desire, such as those published by the SSPX. It discusses Fr. Feeney’s case and answers objections. This program is definitely worth listening to in order to get a fair and accurate picture of what the Church teaches on this extremely important dogma – so denied in our day.