It is a pity that the Salvation issue so divides the Traditionalist movement, especially, if not exclusively, in the USA. The Church has never complicated matters for It's children. There really should be no problem, notwithstanding what certain " Patristic Fathers " may or may not have said on this issue.
We have the Sacrament of Baptism whose matter is water and whose form is : I baptise you in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit. This really should be the end of the controversy.
I am perplexed why the bulk of Traditional priests seek to find their way around the Sacrament of Baptism. One of the reasons coud be that they are closet ecumaniacs.
Keep the Faith!
Yes, we fully agree. It’s so simple: unless a man is born again of water and the Holy Ghost he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5). If people cogitate on exactly what these salvation heretics are arguing for (in arguing that people don’t need baptism and that members of false religions can be united to the Church) and what they accomplish in arguing for it – namely, nothing except to confirm people outside the Church and discourage people from converting and being baptized – and consider the fruits of their heresy, which are simply awful (rampant religious indifferentism), one can clearly see that the furor created by those tenaciously arguing for “baptism of desire” and salvation for non-Catholics is evil. Regarding why they cannot see (we’re referring here to those who believe that members of false religions, etc. can be united to the Church by “baptism of desire”), we don’t think it’s because they’re closet ecumenists, but because they don’t have true supernatural faith to believe what God has revealed until they see the justice in it. That’s how most people work: they won’t believe until they understand, when those with real faith act in just the opposite fashion: they believe in order to understand:
St. Anselm, Doctor of the Church, Prosologion, Chap. 1: “For I do not seek to understand that I may believe, but I believe in order to understand. For this also I believe, that unless I believed, I should not understand.”Through ill will the heretics refuse to trust God’s judgment because they cannot see the justice in it or understand it in their own puny and prideful idea of how things work, should be and are. They say: “how can God condemn such a person to Hell; he’s so good...” when Almighty God knows all things and knows much better than they do who is actually good, so that if He reveals something to His Church it must be true! That’s the problem with these people: they refuse to accept God’s thoughts because they don’t conform to their thoughts, rather than conforming their thoughts to God’s thoughts.
Isaias 55:8-9- “For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.”