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Some Q &A’s from Fall 2004
Dear MHFM: A relative of mine attends the novus ordo every Sunday and goes to "confession" only to a priest who was ordained in the traditional rite back in the early 1950s. He wants to know is his confession valid? If not why? Thanks!!!
MHFM: A Confession to a validly ordained Novus Ordo priest (i.e., a priest ordained in the Old Rite) would be valid if the Novus Ordo priest says "I absolve you from you sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." But the person you mentioned persists in going to the invalid Novus Ordo "Mass," and therefore that person is sinning gravely. Thus, he does not approach Confession with the proper resolution to avoid this grave sin and therefore his Confession is sacrilegious.
Your points are well taken. Thanks for your helpful independent views. Re my question about the validity of Abp Thuc consecrations: What is your informed view? Is Bishop [x] validly consecrated since he is in succession from Abp Thuc? Thanks for your refreshing insights! -Paul M.
I am enjoying reading your book THERE
IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, but I think it is addressed to
those who are already essentially committed to Roman Catholicism (of some
variety) and not to potential converts thereto. For
that, I presume, there are other publishers that you recommend. Is Tan
Books the best? Sincerely yours, Davy C.
Dear Brothers Dimond, Please comment;
now that a true pope is not sitting in
office, how can a traditional Catholic be absolutely sure that a dogma is a dogma or not a dogma of the Faith, eg. baptism of blood and desire? What is your take on the restoration of the true Catholic Church, and the papacy? Will this be the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary? If the Great Apostasy has been fulfilled and the Anti-christ revealed, is it not that the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ will immediately follow? Where does the triumph of the Immaculate Heart fit in?
God bless you, C. V.
MHFM: C. V., a Catholic has sure Faith in the dogmas because they were proclaimed from the Chair of Peter, whose teaching God will not allow to err. The fact that a Pope is not currently reigning has no bearing on the certainty of those dogmas. Also, the Church does not need restoration. It still exists, but has simply been reduced to a remnant.
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 10), Aug. 15, 1832:“Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain ‘restoration and regeneration’ for her (the Church) as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune.”
I very much agree with most all your
commentary. However, one is left with very disconcerting conflicts
concerning just about everything in life. For example: my daughter, who
has Asperger's Syndrome, has been home-schooled since first grade. Soon
she will be in high school and she very much wishes to attend an actual
school. The only school with a program to work with special needs
children is a Catholic high school under the auspices of Vatican II Church
officials.. .She mentioned that she could simply not go to Communion and act
like the other children of other religions instead of actively participating in
the religious activities there. What do you think? Would I be
committing a sin by sending her there for the academic and social advantages?
Also, on another topic that is unrelated, but presents a similar problem: I am a trained classical singer, a soprano, with university degrees in performance. As a singer, the only opportunities to sing for profit are to sing for church services, be they Protestant or Catholic, or do concerts, which would be done in various churches, both Vatican II Catholic churches and Protestant, as well as concert halls… My singing job would be as a cantor, section leader, and soloist at Vatican II Masses, or for concert organizations who perform under many different venues including many different churches.
If I insist on being a purist, I cannot sing, and therefore, I will not be able to use my talent or make money as a singer. As you probably know, female solo voices are not allowed at the Traditional Latin Rite Mass, except as part of a choir -- and there is no choir position available in this area, except in the Vatican II churches. Again, what do you think? Am I committing a sin by singing at heretical churches, when I regard those positions as merely job opportunities?... Thank you very much for your time and attention, as I know you are extremely busy. I am about to make the decision about the church job any day now.
Most sincerely, S. P.
MHFM: Dear S. P., thanks for the questions. To answer your questions,
1. Unfortunately, you should not send your child to the Vatican II school, and we believe that it would be a mortal sin, as her soul would be placed in grave peril by the pagan influence of the Novus Ordo "Catholics," not to mention the apostasy of the school itself. Her chances of saving her soul in such an environment would be very, very slim. So, she is without question better off not going and you should not send her. You should continue to home-school her.
Question 6– More corroborating info on the apostate Malachi Martin from a reader (see summer question 19 for the first part)
I JUST GOT THROUGH READING YOUR COMMENTARY ON MALACHI MARTIN. I HAVE SOME MORE
INFORMATION TO ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID. BACK IN THE LATE 80'S I WAS IN CHARGE OF
GETTING GUESTS ON A WORLDWIDE CATHOLIC RADIO PROGRAM. ONE OF THE GUESTS LINED
UP FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS MALACHI MARTIN. I HAD HIS APARTMENT PHONE NUMBER IF I
MHFM: Thank you, Ed, for that very interesting
information, which is perfectly consistent with the activity of Malachi Martin
as seen by others, as well as his repeated and public denials of the Catholic
Faith. There is an interesting story
which corroborates this, which we would like to share with our readers. We had a friend who is a Biblical Scholar,
who presently lives in
A few questions…The… question is about God's hatred, his abhorrence of the wicked. What exactly does this term mean? In Deuteronomy 28, God says He will rejoice in destroying the people that forsakes His ways. In other places, he talks about laughing at the wicked as their plans come to naught (I suppose as He precipitates them down to Hell). The Old Testament treats often of the destruction promised evil-doers. The Psalmist sometimes asks for the destruction of his enemies. How am I supposed to reconcile all of this with a loving God? I know Jesus suffered and died for us all, good and wicked, but I am beginning to rethink how I see his teachings, His Passion, and his death.
My understanding of the matter is that God hardens hearts. In one passage, He says you have before you fire and water, whichever you choose shall be given you. In other words, if I forcefully and constantly choose to be a hedonist, God won't spend my whole life preventing me from being a hedonist; he will abandon me to those false pleasures which have become my god. St. Alphonsus, in "Preparation for Death," talks of the way God withdraws His grace from the impenitent and leaves them almost completely unable to repent, easy prey for demons at the hour of death. These to me are examples of God's hatred: if you resolutely choose to contradict Him, He will largely abandon you to your way… How would you have me understand God's hatred? Also I would like to hear your interpretation of the words toward the end of Psalm 138: Have I not hated them who hated thee, O Lord? With a perfect hatred I have hated them and they have become an enemy to me. Is this the passage Jesus was talking about when he taught you have heard it said that you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but amen, I say to you, love your enemies and do good to those who hate you? What does this passage (about perfect hatred) mean?
Why does God seem to change His teaching in this matter?... As always, thanks for the materials; they are eye-opening and educational. Thanks also for the counsel. Jason B.
MHFM: Jason, thank you for your
question. God’s mercy is for those who
fear Him (Luke 1:50). When His mercy is
mentioned in Scripture, it is given to those who fear, obey and cooperate with
His grace. Those who begin by fearing
Him and obeying Him then come to see His love.
That is why Scripture teaches that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Psalm 110:10). But those who spurn Him, deny Him and disobey
Him get His wrath. And it is an awful
thing to fall into the hands of the living God, as
I was wondering what your thoughts were on racism in Catholic teaching?
MHFM: Racism is a sin, which is a result of pride and hatred of neighbor. Racists are infatuated with themselves; they think that they are so great that they despise those of a different race or nationality. But while they are filled with how great they think they are, they are a disgrace in God’s sight. God doesn’t care what race or nationality you are; He cares if you love Him and hold the true Faith. The Catholic Church is universal, i.e., it embraces equally all men of whatever race or nationality.
Pope Pius XI, Rerum Ecclesia (#26), Feb. 28, 1926: “Anyone who looks upon these natives as members of an inferior race or as men of low mentality makes a grievous mistake.”
Dear Brother, My wife and I find great interest in the articles you send, & also in your magazines we have here at home. Wouldn't it be better to pray for our Pope rather then keep bashing him? How can you be sure it isn't the Masons doing most of the damage and not him? For all you know, he could even have a double who is being seen & doing things he shouldn't. Anything is possible, but being our Pope, he deserves more respect rather then being called names. That kind of talk & articles can only make matter worse. Let's pray instead! Thank you, J. & C.
I have received the material I ordered and I wanted to say thank you,
incredible stuff. I wanted to ask what might seem an incredibly stupid question. When you pray all 15 mysteries at one time can you move from one right to the other? In other words after you finish the joyful mysteries and after you recite the Hail Holy Queen, can you start right away with the next Our Father and meditation on the first sorrowful mystery? Thank you again
Brother: I have just read a newsletter of a Traditional priest…This priest was
also impressed by the great veneration showed to Our Lady by thousands of
people in the [Orthodox]churches of Moscow and St Petersburg. It is a mystery
that despite this great love for Our Lady, the hearts of the Orthodox have
never been inclined to seek unity with
MHFM: That’s a good question. If they were truly devoted to Our Lady they would become Catholic; but, in my opinion, the answer as to why they don’t is, in most cases, due to intellectual pride.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215, on Heretics: “We condemn all heretics, whatever names they may go under. They have different faces indeed but their tails are tied together inasmuch as they are alike in their pride.”
Brothers, I would like to know if it is ok to sing in a recreational choir
where some of the pieces are from the Gloria in Latin by Mozart and the
Huron Carol by
Do you have
a list of places in the
I try to do what I see as correct in the eyes of God, and so, I naturally understand your correct analysis of "Outside the Church No Salvation, period", it's an open and shut case. I don't see it open and shut for your conclusion that the SSPX is heretical for it's response to VATII and JPII, however, I do see your position regarding JPII as a more consistent conclusion than the SSPX's.
MHFM: The sad fact of the matter is that there are only a few priests in the country that are fully Catholic. To answer your question about donating to the SSPX after one has been made aware of their heresies, the answer is yes it is a mortal sin for one to obstinately contribute to the SSPX, and by doing so one is showing Jesus Christ that he endorses the idea that Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Jews can be saved without the Catholic Faith, which they promote in their books.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215: "Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend, or support heretics."
Actions speak louder than words. Thus, one can say that he disagrees with the SSPX, but if he still contributes to this group, then his actions prove that he doesn't stand against their heresy but endorses it. If you were to move to St. Mary's you could pay tuition only (since this is required) but you could not give any donations to the school or a penny of financial support. You could only pay the tuition fee, just like if you buy a book from them: you can pay the cost of the book, but you cannot supplement that with any additional money as a donation.
I think you're right on target about Malachi Martin. He had a lot of people fooled. With regards to Fr. Wickens...his chapel has not been turned over to the SSPX. Apparently the SSPX could not provide a full time priest which was Fr. Wickens request. There is a search for a full time traditional priest for the Chapel.
With regards to Sr. Lucia....have you ever considered the possibility that she may be on "drugs" that would account for her personality change. I too caught a glimpse of the canonization service, and watched Sr. Lucia being escorted to receive "communion" from JPII and immediately after she turned and waved with a big smile on her face. She seemed to be rather confused.
If you've ever read any books about Opus Dei, it's a well known fact that they rely heavily upon "drugs" to soothe their subjects, especially the ones who begin to have qualms of conscience. Who knows...they may have JPII "medicated" too! Antipsychotic drugs have the side effects that resemble the "symptoms" of Parkinson's Disease. Remember when JPII first started showing signs of the "disease", it was denied that he had Parkinson's. Maybe it wasn't Parkinson's at the time, but since the side effects are irreversible, why not just say it is Parkinson's. T.T.
Dear bro Dimond , Grace and blessing of the Lord be upon you for the work you are doing for souls. Since I discovered your website I have been challenged to seek the truth of the catholic faith. As a result of this I visit many traditional catholic sites .i understand that you maintain that the see of peter is vacant. I wish to seek for your opinion on the issue of antipope and the various claimants to the chair of Peter apart from JP11.who is the pope? I recently got a publication titled WHERE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. In the publication it is argued that pope Michael is the true pope of the catholic church.What is your advice on this. Does he have credibility? Does he have canonical status?pls dont be offended if I ask too many questions. I will appreciate a prompt reply to this. Pls find attached for WHERE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
I agree that outside the Church there is no salvation, but I have a question:
Do you deny that it is possible for a person who is not a "visible" member of Catholic Church to be saved? What I mean is this: do you deny it is possible for a person who has never stepped foot into a Catholic Church, but who has been baptised, to be saved? I understand it would be an exception, but do you deny any possibility for such an exception? Surely you do not deny that. Thanks…
MHFM: It is
possible for a person who has been baptized, and believes in the essential
mysteries of the Catholic Faith, to be saved without having set foot in a
Catholic church. For instance, some of
the heathen whom
In order to be a Catholic and a member of the Church, one must at least be baptized and, if above reason, know at least the essential mysteries of the Catholic Faith (the Trinity and the Incarnation) – and not reject any teaching of the Church. Persons such as those described above (baptized just before death by St. Isaac Jogues) are also subject to the Roman Pontiff, just like infants, by virtue of their baptism.
I've been reading your new book, I've read every book I could find on the subject (anti-desire theory books), and as time goes by, the desire theorists (really universal salvation for "nice people" theorists) always come up with another excuse/angle, which should be answered. Well, your book answers them all (up to date). Lets see what they come up with now…
I have a question for you- Have you had any correspondence on the matter with SSPX's Bishop Williamson? He's an Anglican convert, and appears to be a reasonable man . I wonder what his reaction would be to reading your new book? Keep up the good work of bringing light upon error. Yours in Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, P. V.
Greetings MHFM......Do you know anything of Fr. Andrew Wingate, he claims he's traditional, biolocates, and Mary let him hold the baby Jesu, he also claims to have visions during his mass and has lots to say about future events and has had past predictions as well… he claims many saints have appeared to him as well, he thinks Lord Matreyia is the Anti-christ mentioned alot about the Garenbandahl prophecies & mentioned LaSallete as well.....Just wondering if you have heard of him before & your thoughts about him...........Pat
MHFM: Dear Pat: I looked at his website. Fr. Wingate is a complete heretic who believes that Catholics should unite with the schismatic "orthodox" sects. Thus, he promotes schism and the denial of the Catholic Faith. He even promotes that these schismatics have true visionaries. He also believes that John Paul II is the Pope and that John Paul II is on the side of God. This alone proves that Wingate and his “messages” are not of God, but of the devil; for he denies the defined Catholic Faith. He also promotes the totally false and wicked "revelations" of Fr. Gobbi, who thinks that John Paul II is "Mary's Pope." Nothing could be further from the truth or more clearly from Satan - as one look at the photo galleries on our website shows.
At the Novus Ordo there have been Eucharist miracles where hosts bleed when received by some of the visionaries. Satan can’t do that!
MHFM: Wrong. Satan cannot turn bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, but he can make bread bleed with regular blood. We learn this from the story of the Exodus.
Exodus 7:19-22- “And Moses and Aaron did as the Lord had commanded: and lifting up the rod, he struck the water of the river before Pharao and his servants: and it was turned into blood. And the fishes that were in the river died… And the magicians of the Egyptians with their enchantments did in like manner; and Pharao’s heart was hardened…”
Peter and Bro. Michael:
What do you know, if anything, about Father Donald
Is he a legitimate traditional priest, or does he
embrace any heresies?
Dear Brothers Dimond,
FYI, hindu worship permitted in Fatima Church May 2004 . Any info on this abomination? I do not see it in your website.
Question 22– Are some of the pictures fakes?
Some of your pictures look like they could be fakes.
There is a Benedictine
traditional monastery in
To Jesus Through Mary, T. S.
Question 24– A Defense of Malachi Martin
Dear Brother Dimond,
indeed intend to order the 7 DVDs etc., in future, information unobtainable
elsewhere in the era of the Great Apostasy… I should add also in honesty that
your reader's and your own comments on Malachi Martin have little bearing on
his many virtues, generously distributed to me as I described, and to countless
others. Once he left
Bear in mind, however, two factors: one being that Malachi has already had judgment passed on him by his Maker, for worse or (I dearly hope) for better. The other is that he participated over twenty years in over 200 minor and major exorcisms, a field of endeavor which most priests avoid and would not touch, as Malachi would say, "with a ten foor barge pole". More to the point, a standard feature of major exorcism is that in this deadly struggle with ultimate evil, the exorcist can expect his every unconfessed sin exposed, every error revealed, every secret laid bare by his foe. I submit that someone exposing himself to the baleful hatred of Lucifer's minions in a state of mortal sin is foolhardy beyond reason, and would soon pay the ultimate and eternal price for such a grievous error.
In short, I personally do not claim sainthood for my dearest friend, now passed from my ken, but I have little patience with those who gleefully shred his reputation, most likely to elevate their own worth in the eyes of others, a deplorable practice I notice most especially in the ranks of Traditional Catholics who preen themselves on being private potiffs for the others in their circle of acquaintances. I know such a trend is likely, given the shambles of authority now regnant, but I hold with my name saint Paul in such matters: in all things, charity… P.W.
My preference is to leave public burnings at the stake to the English, and internet drawings and quarterings to others with better sources than mine. My position is that of a poor and sinful penitent who prefers not to participate in condemnations of those already having met their judgement. I doubtless have a great dearth of the firsthand evidence of heresy which for others is ready to hand, and given the obviously widespread diabolical disinformation now covering the world, I am most loath to sit and pronounce judgement on other poor souls, for fear of being so off-handedly condemned myself .
While the truly Catholic life is indeed a fierce battleground, with no quarter given, my preference is to follow our Lady's example and keep my eyes firmly fixed on Heaven, while avoiding sending everyone else in my path to hell. You cut a very wide swathe with your keen vision, Brother Peter, and I suspect that whatever be my response, your blade is already at my throat, for I can discern no charity in your judgements, which to my eyes seem to be based largely on personal anecdotes. Outside of yourself and your fellow Benedictines, have you as yet found anyone who passes the test of salvific probity, or does the world beyond your borders stand condemned in toto?...
MHFM: It is a common tactic of liberals to attribute to the person with whom they disagree a position that he doesn't hold to avoid addressing his facts which they find so disquieting. This is precisely what you have done multiple times. You have implied that I am advocating "burnings at the stake"; drawings and quarterings; sending everyone else in my path to Hell; and condemning the world in toto. None of those things did I espouse or suggest, but you bring up these emotionally charged ideas to skirt away from the fact that you refuse to admit that Malachi Martin's statements that Buddhists can be saved and that pagan religions glorify Jesus are heretical and denials of Catholic Faith. If you cannot say that those statements are denials of Catholic Faith then I'm sorry to say that you don't possess it. It is not my fault that Malachi Martin believed these things.
Frankly, it is not charitable to do what you did above: to attribute to someone something which he didn't advocate but which seems bad in order to cover up the weakness of your position. It is also very cowardly, because it demonstrates that a man cannot deal with the facts. The two facts that I cited above are not based on flimsy second-hand information, but public statements Martin made.
I'm sad to say that if your attitude in this regard is "I cannot judge," then you would have said the same thing in the 4th century during the Arian crisis when they quarreled over that "little" matter - only a word in Greek - whether Jesus was of one substance with the Father or merely of a similar substance. Many I'm sure said the same thing as you, "I'm just a sinful layman and I won't judge or condemn the Arians, let alone the Semi-Arians," and they wound up denying the Divinity of Christ. To be unable to denounce Malachi Martin’s statements that Buddhists can be saved; that pagan religions glorify Jesus; and that John Paul II has not taught heresy, is to be unable to profess the Faith of Christ.
it mention the rosary in the Bible?
[Note: this e-mail was sent by Protestant in response to the following quote of the day we had. It was basically a challenge; it seems that she was a bit concerned about it.]
“One day when Blessed Alan was saying Mass, Our Lord, Who wished to spur him on to preach the Holy Rosary, spoke to him in the Sacred Host: ‘How can you crucify Me again so soon?’ Jesus said. ‘What did you say, Lord’ asked Blessed Alan, horrified. ‘You crucified Me once before by your sins,’ answered Jesus, ‘and I would willingly be crucified again rather than have My Father offended by the sins you used to commit. You are crucifying Me again now because you have all the learning and understanding that you need to preach My Mother’s Rosary, and you are not doing so. If you only did this you could teach many souls the right path and lead them away from sin – but you are not doing so and so you yourself are guilty of the sins that they commit.’ This terrible reproach made Blessed Alan solemnly resolve to preach the Rosary unceasingly.” (St. Louis De Montfort, The Secret of the Rosary, p. 23)
MHFM: Besides the meditations on the mysteries of Christ and Our Lady (all of which are indicated in Scripture), the Rosary is comprised essentially of two prayers, the Our Father and the Hail Mary. Both come from the Bible. The Our Father is given to us by Our Lord in Scripture (Matthew 6; Luke 11), and the main part of the Hail Mary is found in Luke Chapter 1. The Hail Mary is as follows: HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE, BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB JESUS, HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH.
“Hail [Mary], full of grace, the Lord is with thee, Blessed art thou among women” comes directly from Luke 1:28.
“Blessed art thou among women and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb [Jesus]” comes directly from Luke 1:42.
“Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death” is not found in Scripture, but completes the above prayer with a sublime petition to the Mother of God.
Protestants fail to understand the significance of Mary because they don’t understand Jesus. They fail to understand the significance of the following truth about Jesus.
Pope St. Leo the Great, Council of Chalcedon, 451, ex cathedra: “… our Lord Jesus Christ… indeed born of the Father before all ages according to His Divinity, but in the last days born of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, according to His humanity; for us and for our salvation, one and the same Christ…”
One may say, what is Mary doing in a discussion of this magnitude? Therein lies her dignity, her power with God, and why God wishes us to have devotion to her. Catholics perceive and say “wow” at Mary’s role in the above, while Protestants remain blind to it and often attack it. They fail to understand how her soul “doth magnify the Lord” (Luke 1:47) because they don’t understand who she is who gives birth to the Son of God in His humanity. They fail to perceive the ramifications of this inscrutable truth.
Hail Mary, which begins in Luke 1:28 (the Angelic Salutation), is so
significant precisely because it represents the Incarnation – the act by which
the Son of God became man. As
“Blessed Alan De la Roche who was so deeply devoted to the Blessed Virgin had many revelations from her and we know that he confirmed the truth of these revelations by a solemn oath. Three of them stand out with special emphasis: the first, that if people fail to say the Hail Mary (the Angelic Salutation which has saved the world) out of carelessness, or because they are lukewarm, or because they hate it, this is a sign that they will probably and indeed shortly be condemned to eternal punishment. The second truth is that those who love this divine salutation bear the very special stamp of predestination. The third is that those to whom God has given the signal grace of loving Our Lady and of serving her out of love must take very great care to continue to love and serve her until the time when she shall have had them placed in heaven by her divine Son in the degree of glory which they have earned.” (The Secret of the Rosary, p. 45.)
The Hail Mary, and Catholics’ petitions throughout history to the Mother of God, are prophesied by Our Lady herself in Luke 1:48: “…for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”
The Catholic commentary on this verse puts it well:
“These words [Luke 1:48] are a prediction of that honor which the Church in all ages should pay to the Blessed Virgin. Let Protestants examine whether they are in any way concerned in this prophecy.” (Challoner)
I hope you aren't giving me the "silent treatment" because I had made a donation to Bob Sungenis. I don't agree with his support of Vatican II or JPII, I merely supported his work on Geocentrism more than anything else. And since I sent him my email telling him that I was a sedevacantist, he hasn't responded to any contact from me anymore either.
In Matthew 2:16 we read
how Herod ordered the murder of all the baby boys in
If you will permit me one more question, in Romans 9:14-16 we read of God's free choice in that He "will have mercy on whom I will have mercy." Does not your insistence on an absolutely inflexible condition of water Baptism attempt to limit the freedom of choice of Almighty God?
I ask these questions respectfully, not to try to trap you with words, or to burden you, but because I find the matter of water Baptism so ultimately important and the Scripture references I give above so challenging to your position.
MHFM: Dr. M.: There is a section in our book (Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation) which deals specifically with this objection. I will copy the section for you below. The short answer to your question is that the Holy Innocents and the Good Thief died under the Old Law, not the New Law - that is, before the law of baptism became obligatory on all.
Regarding your section question: no, we are not limiting the free choice of God. God has revealed to man what He will do and what we must believe. He has told us via divine revelation that no one will be saved without the Catholic Faith. If that is not what He does, then He would not have revealed it.
Romans 8:29-30- “For whom He foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son: that he might be the first-born amongst many brethren. And whom he predestinated, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
OBJECTION- What about the Good Thief and the Holy Innocents?
addressed already in the section on
Catechism of the Council of Trent, Baptism made obligatory after Christ’s Resurrection, p. 171: “Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved.”
In fact, when Our Lord said to the Good Thief, “This day you will be with Me in paradise,” Jesus was not referring to heaven, but actually to hell. As Catholics know, no one entered heaven until after Our Lord did, after His Resurrection. On the day of the Crucifixion, Christ descended into hell, as the Apostles’ Creed says. He did not descend to the hell of the damned, but to the place in hell called the Limbo of the Fathers, the waiting place of the Just of the Old Testament, who could not enter heaven until after the Savior came.
2 Peter 3:18-19 “Christ also died once for our sins… In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison…”
To further prove the point that the Good Thief did not go to heaven on the Day of the Crucifixion, there is the fact that on Easter Sunday, when Mary Magdalene met the Risen Lord, He told her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father.”
John 20:17- “[On the Day of the Resurrection] Jesus saith to her; Mary. She turning, saith to him; Rabboni, (that is to say, Master). Jesus saith to her; Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father…”
I have found your site and enjoy it
very much. I am a Frenchmen who lives in
MHFM: Sir, glad that you found the site. But you won’t find any condemnation of “Feeneyism” on our site, which I’m sure you define as a person who believes that only baptized Catholics can be saved. You won’t find a condemnation of that because that is the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church, and we have a 300-page book on the topic. (see our website for more details).
Pope Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church. And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]. The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.”
Further, you also should be made aware that Bishop Dolan does not accept the Catholic dogma that all people who die as non-Catholics are lost. He is affiliated with Bishop Sanborn and would share his position on the matter. Bishop Sanborn on Dominus Iesus writes: “Does Outside the Church There is No Salvation mean that anyone who is visibly outside the Roman Catholic Church is going to hell? No. It means that those who culpably remain outside of it are going to hell …” This is clear-cut heresy. This is what Bishop Dolan believes.
Do you accept the dogma that all who die as Jews, pagans and heretics are lost?
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
What an excellent article on Michael
Davies! I once went to breakfast with him when I was connected to a
Catholic publishing company, and I found him to have quite a casual attitude
about problems in the Church, which really aren't problems in the Church at all
-- they are a counter-Church. Anyway, God bless you!
Brothers, Thank you for the wonderful investigation on Michael Davies. My first instinct at the passing of Michael Davies was to think of the help he has given to the traditional movement. But alas although I have to fight it every day, my novus ordo programming has not entirely been erased. After reading your article there is no doubt that Mr. Davies misled countless traditionalists from the true faith. I thank God that He has provided you with the wisdom to see through the deceits of so many wolves in sheeps clothing. I continually pray for the strength and wisdom to defend the True Faith…Keep up the good work with your website and may God continually bless your apostolate.
God Bless, Robert
Good coverage of the teachings of M.
Davies. Except that I would add his notion of situational infallibility
to the popes' published teachings on the faith and morals to the list.
faith. What incredible ignorance!
Brother Michael and Brother Peter,
I read the Heresy of the Week about Michael Davies. It is really too bad he died faithless considering the work he did. But it really has to be said that he did all this research on the liturgy and Vatican II's novel idea of religious liberty, for ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING! He still held the new mass as valid and all the Vatican II hierarchy as valid as well! He would lead you to the door of sedevacantism, then block it saying that we can't go there!
Well, did you read his last "Letter from
"The third in the series left me totally devastated. I could not stand up for at least five to ten minutes, a catharsis in the true Aristotelian manner. Seeing these constitutes, in my opinion, a literary and almost RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE (emphasis mine) which I
trust that no reader will miss the experience of undergoing."
Think about this! Here is a guy with terminal cancer, staring eternity in the face, and he's getting euphoric from a FANTASY movie! We're not talking about "The Passion of the Christ" movie. We're talking about a movie with wizards, dwarfs, elves, and hobbits!
It's no wonder that this guy died suddenly of a massive heart attack! I guess his life was fulfilled after seeing such a "brilliant masterpiece". If only St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Robert Bellarmine could have been so fortunate as to live on earth at the
And you know, it hit me that way too. After watching the movie it took me a while to get up from my seat as well. But at the time, I thought it was because I ate too much popcorn and drank too much soda...that was a LONG movie.
Michael Davies was also of the opinion that parents of children over 10 have an ABSOLUTE DUTY (emphasis mine) to ensure that they read these literary masterpieces!
Now there's the real key to great knowledge: reading Lord of the Rings and the Chronicles of Narnia. I always wondered how I got so smart. Thanks, Michael!